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		<title>By: Hanna @ affiliate funnel systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanna @ affiliate funnel systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like something I&#039;ve been looking for along time.  I will most certainly consider it.  Thank you for making it available and explaining it so thoroughly.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;9458&#039;,&#039;Hanna @ affiliate funnel systems&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;9458&#039;,&#039;Hanna @ affiliate funnel systems&#039;,&#039;This looks like something I\&#039;ve been looking for along time.  I will most certainly consider it.  Thank you for making it available and explaining it so thoroughly.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like something I&#8217;ve been looking for along time.  I will most certainly consider it.  Thank you for making it available and explaining it so thoroughly.
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		<title>By: How To Drive Massive Amounts Of Traffic To Your Squeeze Page : Home Business and Work From Home Ideas and Opportunities</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Drive Massive Amounts Of Traffic To Your Squeeze Page : Home Business and Work From Home Ideas and Opportunities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the extra traffic methods below. For more info on this you can read the ?Surfing or buying?? and ?Missed the point?? articles by Mike [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8403&#039;,&#039;How To Drive Massive Amounts Of Traffic To Your Squeeze Page : Home Business and Work From Home Ideas and Opportunities&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8403&#039;,&#039;How To Drive Massive Amounts Of Traffic To Your Squeeze Page : Home Business and Work From Home Ideas and Opportunities&#039;,&#039;&#091;...&#093; the extra traffic methods below. For more info on this you can read the ?Surfing or buying?? and ?Missed the point?? articles by Mike &#091;...&#093;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the extra traffic methods below. For more info on this you can read the ?Surfing or buying?? and ?Missed the point?? articles by Mike [...]
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		<title>By: Jerry Reeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Reeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, once again, you are dead on. I too have found tweaking the email series and optin pages, thank you pages and writing copy do more for the bottom line than surfing.

Jerry Reeder&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8211&#039;,&#039;Jerry Reeder&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8211&#039;,&#039;Jerry Reeder&#039;,&#039;Mike, once again, you are dead on. I too have found tweaking the email series and optin pages, thank you pages and writing copy do more for the bottom line than surfing.\r\n\r\nJerry Reeder&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, once again, you are dead on. I too have found tweaking the email series and optin pages, thank you pages and writing copy do more for the bottom line than surfing.</p>
<p>Jerry Reeder
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8211','Jerry Reeder'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8211','Jerry Reeder','Mike, once again, you are dead on. I too have found tweaking the email series and optin pages, thank you pages and writing copy do more for the bottom line than surfing.\r\n\r\nJerry Reeder'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mike Paetzold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Paetzold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good comment Ron. My only disagreement is that if you can&#039;t make a purchase of traffic pay for itself then you really need to be spending all your time building a system before you even consider spending time surfing.

I am not against surfing although for me it is a poor use of time. My time spent on an email series will generate me 100 times the same time spent on surfing.

Creating a product, writing an article, tweaking a sales letter - all of these hold a greater return on my investment. Anyone looking to build a business should find that to be the same.

This series will only ever be embraced by at most 5% of the surfers and thank goodness for that. If no one surfed there would be no credits to buy and traffic exchanges would die.

This is meant for those that really have an interest in building a business, being able to quit their job and constantly grow.

I have seen quite a few people do this but it is almost impossible to do this without the mind shift.

It usually comes in stages but...

for me it wasn&#039;t until I saw and accepted this that I could work from home despite all the downlines and other things I had built for years before.

Now I quite truthfully never surf because at my conversion rates buying traffic is free and I can make much more working on my next product or improving my current systems than the money I would save.

Even if I could generate 500 credits an hour at a cost of $10 or less a thousand I can&#039;t possibly justify working for $5 an hour. Even at 1000 credits an hour from surfing would you work for $10 an hour? I wouldn&#039;t. (And I truly doubt you could do that rate.)

Mike&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8210&#039;,&#039;Mike Paetzold&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8210&#039;,&#039;Mike Paetzold&#039;,&#039;Very good comment Ron. My only disagreement is that if you can\&#039;t make a purchase of traffic pay for itself then you really need to be spending all your time building a system before you even consider spending time surfing.\r\n\r\nI am not against surfing although for me it is a poor use of time. My time spent on an email series will generate me 100 times the same time spent on surfing.\r\n\r\nCreating a product, writing an article, tweaking a sales letter - all of these hold a greater return on my investment. Anyone looking to build a business should find that to be the same.\r\n\r\nThis series will only ever be embraced by at most 5% of the surfers and thank goodness for that. If no one surfed there would be no credits to buy and traffic exchanges would die.\r\n\r\nThis is meant for those that really have an interest in building a business, being able to quit their job and constantly grow.\r\n\r\nI have seen quite a few people do this but it is almost impossible to do this without the mind shift.\r\n\r\nIt usually comes in stages but...\r\n\r\nfor me it wasn\&#039;t until I saw and accepted this that I could work from home despite all the downlines and other things I had built for years before.\r\n\r\nNow I quite truthfully never surf because at my conversion rates buying traffic is free and I can make much more working on my next product or improving my current systems than the money I would save.\r\n\r\nEven if I could generate 500 credits an hour at a cost of $10 or less a thousand I can\&#039;t possibly justify working for $5 an hour. Even at 1000 credits an hour from surfing would you work for $10 an hour? I wouldn\&#039;t. (And I truly doubt you could do that rate.)\r\n\r\nMike&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good comment Ron. My only disagreement is that if you can&#8217;t make a purchase of traffic pay for itself then you really need to be spending all your time building a system before you even consider spending time surfing.</p>
<p>I am not against surfing although for me it is a poor use of time. My time spent on an email series will generate me 100 times the same time spent on surfing.</p>
<p>Creating a product, writing an article, tweaking a sales letter &#8211; all of these hold a greater return on my investment. Anyone looking to build a business should find that to be the same.</p>
<p>This series will only ever be embraced by at most 5% of the surfers and thank goodness for that. If no one surfed there would be no credits to buy and traffic exchanges would die.</p>
<p>This is meant for those that really have an interest in building a business, being able to quit their job and constantly grow.</p>
<p>I have seen quite a few people do this but it is almost impossible to do this without the mind shift.</p>
<p>It usually comes in stages but&#8230;</p>
<p>for me it wasn&#8217;t until I saw and accepted this that I could work from home despite all the downlines and other things I had built for years before.</p>
<p>Now I quite truthfully never surf because at my conversion rates buying traffic is free and I can make much more working on my next product or improving my current systems than the money I would save.</p>
<p>Even if I could generate 500 credits an hour at a cost of $10 or less a thousand I can&#8217;t possibly justify working for $5 an hour. Even at 1000 credits an hour from surfing would you work for $10 an hour? I wouldn&#8217;t. (And I truly doubt you could do that rate.)</p>
<p>Mike
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8210','Mike Paetzold'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8210','Mike Paetzold','Very good comment Ron. My only disagreement is that if you can\'t make a purchase of traffic pay for itself then you really need to be spending all your time building a system before you even consider spending time surfing.\r\n\r\nI am not against surfing although for me it is a poor use of time. My time spent on an email series will generate me 100 times the same time spent on surfing.\r\n\r\nCreating a product, writing an article, tweaking a sales letter - all of these hold a greater return on my investment. Anyone looking to build a business should find that to be the same.\r\n\r\nThis series will only ever be embraced by at most 5% of the surfers and thank goodness for that. If no one surfed there would be no credits to buy and traffic exchanges would die.\r\n\r\nThis is meant for those that really have an interest in building a business, being able to quit their job and constantly grow.\r\n\r\nI have seen quite a few people do this but it is almost impossible to do this without the mind shift.\r\n\r\nIt usually comes in stages but...\r\n\r\nfor me it wasn\'t until I saw and accepted this that I could work from home despite all the downlines and other things I had built for years before.\r\n\r\nNow I quite truthfully never surf because at my conversion rates buying traffic is free and I can make much more working on my next product or improving my current systems than the money I would save.\r\n\r\nEven if I could generate 500 credits an hour at a cost of $10 or less a thousand I can\'t possibly justify working for $5 an hour. Even at 1000 credits an hour from surfing would you work for $10 an hour? I wouldn\'t. (And I truly doubt you could do that rate.)\r\n\r\nMike'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ron Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike,

Two very good post on a much under represented subject. Though I partially disagree with the whole buying traffic V&#039;s Surfing for traffic premiss, I do whole heartedly agree that you must first have a system in place that converts traffic to list members no matter what method you use to generate your credits.

Now don&#039;t get me wrong here, If you have built your business to a point where you can afford to buy traffic credits, then by all means have at it. I enjoy a little income each month from downline members buying traffic and upgrades, but if you have not started to generate this kind of income, then an effecient surfing system and a regular surfing schedule is the way to go.

For those that are just starting out with online marketing and have traffic  budgeted in to their plan of action, I recommend google pay per click, as this has converted much better in my experience over TE traffic. 

I hope that I don&#039;t get a bunch of angry emails from TE owners on that last statement(actually I would be flattered), because I have effectively used TE&#039;s for a few years now and I still believe that they are among the best tools on the internet for newbies and guru&#039;s alike to grow their list.

The point you made on spending your time building or tweeking your system to convert better in the traffic exchanges, is the part that I got wrong for many months when I first started out. 

In my personal experience promoting anything in the TE&#039;s other than yourself (your blog,your minisite with your products,your name,your face etc) is a total waste of time, money, and or surfing effort.

Even programs that offer branded squeeze pages with your name, picture, and autoresponder code, are subject to surf blindness, as they are being used by Hundreds or even Thousands of other members. After a short amount of time I believe that most surfers become blind to them, and I have had very little success with them.

What works for me consistantly on the TE&#039;s is building my own personal squeeze pages, that offer a quality, viral product in exchange for a surfers name and email address. This is what I preach on my blogs and every artical I write on the subject. Unfortunatly this involves an investment of time,money and effort, not to mention the learning curve.

Most people don&#039;t want to here the words learn,work, effort,etc, but this is what works like gang busters for me and has many hidden benifits if done right. You can still promote all of your affiliate products,downline builders, and any other product that you choose in your free offer(ebook,report,video,etc) and on your blog,Thank you page, or where ever you direct your traffic after they sign up to your list. Its the sign up that is most important to building a business.

Its much less expensive to do this today with all of the quality tools that are available, that were not around when I started out like hosting, HTML editing software, etc. Even the learning curve has been shortened considerably, as many of these free tools and services come with excellent support in the way of video tutorials.

Even though my squeeze page building skills are still in the stinky phase(they are getting better everyone I do)They still convert surfers to signups better than anything else I have promoted on the exchanges, and they are well worth the time and effort it takes to build them.

Ron&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8209&#039;,&#039;Ron Chaney&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8209&#039;,&#039;Ron Chaney&#039;,&#039;Hey Mike,\r\n\r\nTwo very good post on a much under represented subject. Though I partially disagree with the whole buying traffic V\&#039;s Surfing for traffic premiss, I do whole heartedly agree that you must first have a system in place that converts traffic to list members no matter what method you use to generate your credits.\r\n\r\nNow don\&#039;t get me wrong here, If you have built your business to a point where you can afford to buy traffic credits, then by all means have at it. I enjoy a little income each month from downline members buying traffic and upgrades, but if you have not started to generate this kind of income, then an effecient surfing system and a regular surfing schedule is the way to go.\r\n\r\nFor those that are just starting out with online marketing and have traffic  budgeted in to their plan of action, I recommend google pay per click, as this has converted much better in my experience over TE traffic. \r\n\r\nI hope that I don\&#039;t get a bunch of angry emails from TE owners on that last statement(actually I would be flattered), because I have effectively used TE\&#039;s for a few years now and I still believe that they are among the best tools on the internet for newbies and guru\&#039;s alike to grow their list.\r\n\r\nThe point you made on spending your time building or tweeking your system to convert better in the traffic exchanges, is the part that I got wrong for many months when I first started out. \r\n\r\nIn my personal experience promoting anything in the TE\&#039;s other than yourself (your blog,your minisite with your products,your name,your face etc) is a total waste of time, money, and or surfing effort.\r\n\r\nEven programs that offer branded squeeze pages with your name, picture, and autoresponder code, are subject to surf blindness, as they are being used by Hundreds or even Thousands of other members. After a short amount of time I believe that most surfers become blind to them, and I have had very little success with them.\r\n\r\nWhat works for me consistantly on the TE\&#039;s is building my own personal squeeze pages, that offer a quality, viral product in exchange for a surfers name and email address. This is what I preach on my blogs and every artical I write on the subject. Unfortunatly this involves an investment of time,money and effort, not to mention the learning curve.\r\n\r\nMost people don\&#039;t want to here the words learn,work, effort,etc, but this is what works like gang busters for me and has many hidden benifits if done right. You can still promote all of your affiliate products,downline builders, and any other product that you choose in your free offer(ebook,report,video,etc) and on your blog,Thank you page, or where ever you direct your traffic after they sign up to your list. Its the sign up that is most important to building a business.\r\n\r\nIts much less expensive to do this today with all of the quality tools that are available, that were not around when I started out like hosting, HTML editing software, etc. Even the learning curve has been shortened considerably, as many of these free tools and services come with excellent support in the way of video tutorials.\r\n\r\nEven though my squeeze page building skills are still in the stinky phase(they are getting better everyone I do)They still convert surfers to signups better than anything else I have promoted on the exchanges, and they are well worth the time and effort it takes to build them.\r\n\r\nRon&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike,</p>
<p>Two very good post on a much under represented subject. Though I partially disagree with the whole buying traffic V&#8217;s Surfing for traffic premiss, I do whole heartedly agree that you must first have a system in place that converts traffic to list members no matter what method you use to generate your credits.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me wrong here, If you have built your business to a point where you can afford to buy traffic credits, then by all means have at it. I enjoy a little income each month from downline members buying traffic and upgrades, but if you have not started to generate this kind of income, then an effecient surfing system and a regular surfing schedule is the way to go.</p>
<p>For those that are just starting out with online marketing and have traffic  budgeted in to their plan of action, I recommend google pay per click, as this has converted much better in my experience over TE traffic. </p>
<p>I hope that I don&#8217;t get a bunch of angry emails from TE owners on that last statement(actually I would be flattered), because I have effectively used TE&#8217;s for a few years now and I still believe that they are among the best tools on the internet for newbies and guru&#8217;s alike to grow their list.</p>
<p>The point you made on spending your time building or tweeking your system to convert better in the traffic exchanges, is the part that I got wrong for many months when I first started out. </p>
<p>In my personal experience promoting anything in the TE&#8217;s other than yourself (your blog,your minisite with your products,your name,your face etc) is a total waste of time, money, and or surfing effort.</p>
<p>Even programs that offer branded squeeze pages with your name, picture, and autoresponder code, are subject to surf blindness, as they are being used by Hundreds or even Thousands of other members. After a short amount of time I believe that most surfers become blind to them, and I have had very little success with them.</p>
<p>What works for me consistantly on the TE&#8217;s is building my own personal squeeze pages, that offer a quality, viral product in exchange for a surfers name and email address. This is what I preach on my blogs and every artical I write on the subject. Unfortunatly this involves an investment of time,money and effort, not to mention the learning curve.</p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t want to here the words learn,work, effort,etc, but this is what works like gang busters for me and has many hidden benifits if done right. You can still promote all of your affiliate products,downline builders, and any other product that you choose in your free offer(ebook,report,video,etc) and on your blog,Thank you page, or where ever you direct your traffic after they sign up to your list. Its the sign up that is most important to building a business.</p>
<p>Its much less expensive to do this today with all of the quality tools that are available, that were not around when I started out like hosting, HTML editing software, etc. Even the learning curve has been shortened considerably, as many of these free tools and services come with excellent support in the way of video tutorials.</p>
<p>Even though my squeeze page building skills are still in the stinky phase(they are getting better everyone I do)They still convert surfers to signups better than anything else I have promoted on the exchanges, and they are well worth the time and effort it takes to build them.</p>
<p>Ron
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8209','Ron Chaney'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8209','Ron Chaney','Hey Mike,\r\n\r\nTwo very good post on a much under represented subject. Though I partially disagree with the whole buying traffic V\'s Surfing for traffic premiss, I do whole heartedly agree that you must first have a system in place that converts traffic to list members no matter what method you use to generate your credits.\r\n\r\nNow don\'t get me wrong here, If you have built your business to a point where you can afford to buy traffic credits, then by all means have at it. I enjoy a little income each month from downline members buying traffic and upgrades, but if you have not started to generate this kind of income, then an effecient surfing system and a regular surfing schedule is the way to go.\r\n\r\nFor those that are just starting out with online marketing and have traffic  budgeted in to their plan of action, I recommend google pay per click, as this has converted much better in my experience over TE traffic. \r\n\r\nI hope that I don\'t get a bunch of angry emails from TE owners on that last statement(actually I would be flattered), because I have effectively used TE\'s for a few years now and I still believe that they are among the best tools on the internet for newbies and guru\'s alike to grow their list.\r\n\r\nThe point you made on spending your time building or tweeking your system to convert better in the traffic exchanges, is the part that I got wrong for many months when I first started out. \r\n\r\nIn my personal experience promoting anything in the TE\'s other than yourself (your blog,your minisite with your products,your name,your face etc) is a total waste of time, money, and or surfing effort.\r\n\r\nEven programs that offer branded squeeze pages with your name, picture, and autoresponder code, are subject to surf blindness, as they are being used by Hundreds or even Thousands of other members. After a short amount of time I believe that most surfers become blind to them, and I have had very little success with them.\r\n\r\nWhat works for me consistantly on the TE\'s is building my own personal squeeze pages, that offer a quality, viral product in exchange for a surfers name and email address. This is what I preach on my blogs and every artical I write on the subject. Unfortunatly this involves an investment of time,money and effort, not to mention the learning curve.\r\n\r\nMost people don\'t want to here the words learn,work, effort,etc, but this is what works like gang busters for me and has many hidden benifits if done right. You can still promote all of your affiliate products,downline builders, and any other product that you choose in your free offer(ebook,report,video,etc) and on your blog,Thank you page, or where ever you direct your traffic after they sign up to your list. Its the sign up that is most important to building a business.\r\n\r\nIts much less expensive to do this today with all of the quality tools that are available, that were not around when I started out like hosting, HTML editing software, etc. Even the learning curve has been shortened considerably, as many of these free tools and services come with excellent support in the way of video tutorials.\r\n\r\nEven though my squeeze page building skills are still in the stinky phase(they are getting better everyone I do)They still convert surfers to signups better than anything else I have promoted on the exchanges, and they are well worth the time and effort it takes to build them.\r\n\r\nRon'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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